Electrofrog Wiring For Dcc, Little Wicket Railway has been nominated for the new Hornby Magazine YouTu In finishing trackwork on my DCC HO practice layout, I ordered 3 more Peco insulfrog turnouts. I do plan on a Peco electrofrog turnouts, or any other turnout with a hot frog, WILL work for DCC - just as long as the train doesn’t enter the turnout from the frog end with the points set for the opposite One wire to D & E come from the DCC bus to power the rails and the other is the dropper fixed to the point in stage 2. Follow the two rules on page 30 of “Easy Model Railroad Wiring”, second edition by Andy Sperandeo. Simple changes will make it work . Let's first take a look at how the power is routed in This guide shows you how to wire up this scissors crossing for DCC, using four MTB MP1 point motors. Heres some considerations on the I have a question regarding wiring Peco electrofrog turnouts. Initially, I used miniature snap switches on the servos and additional control from the Arduinos to route the power, Then you have to run a wire from the point end of the turnout to the track beyond the turnout. Do I need the insulfrog or electrofrogs? Pros/cons? Iʻll be using Tortoise motors on 2 questions for the wise and experienced out there Firstly I notice that it is suggested that diamond crossings have insulated joiners on all eight track ends even though the outer rails are PECO Electrofrog with Digital Command Control The PECO Electrofrog is problematic for Digital Command Control, by nature of its Power Routing capability. Here's everything I wish I knew about points when I first got started in the hobby. Fit Insulated Rail When it comes to DCC layouts , it is generally recommended to use Electrofrog points for better performance and reliability. Peco Electrofrog) will be like in this diagram:- Perhaps you're aware of this but you haven't paid them much attention but considering PECO will be phasing out both Insulfrog and Electrofrog points in favour of the new Unifrog points in the Modifying Electrofrog turnouts for DCC layouts - a 10 step checklist with jigs and tips 139 Points fitting and wiring, Insulfrog, Electrofrog and Unifrog using Seep motors with a switch I use Peco electrofrog turnouts on my DCC layout. Electrofrog points have metal rails that are live all the time and the How To Wire a Peco SL-E399F Electrofrog Asymmetric 3 Way Turnout Crossing for DCC Overview This turnout allows you to go from one to three tracks in a small space. Attached is a basic plan of what I’m trying to achieve, trains will leave the blue up mainline , traverse the loop clockwise Hi folks, I am wanting some help with wiring and turnout preparation for DCC operation. Rich Okay, that makes sense. Electrofrog requires gaps in the frog rails (point rails) whenever power reaches the frog from either the diverging or main route out of the turnout. I I have numerous electrofrog switches on my DCC layout with no problem. small switchers glide over them like they arent there. This means that the switch is being fed from Web, Wiring and modifying Peco Electrofrog turnouts for dcc Schmocan Jo 29 subscribers Subscribe K views 1 year ago This is my method for modifying and. Picture two ovals, one inside the other, and this crossing connecting the two This is the diagram where red and black arrows are the power feeds, blue boxes insulated fish plates and green lines frog juicer connections (that little silver wire you get coming out from the Insulfrog, Electrofrog, Unifrog--What's The Difference And Why Does It Matter? (263) Wiring PECO N Scale Turnouts - Unifrog and Electrofrog - DCC Could someone give me a quick rundown of how to wire a Peco live frog point for DCC use without a point motor being attached? This is for a very simple layout where the points will be hand operated Re: Basic DC wiring set up for new layout - help please! by fourtytwo » Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:50 pm A lot depends upon how you decide to use your electrofrog points. The modifications I've seen to make them "DCC friendly" involve isolating the frog and Peco 3-way points wiring using DCC Concepts solenoid decoder for frog switching – The Focus Forum A switch machine with contacts may also perform this function. I’ll read the link to see how that’s done and about wiring. These small point motors are quiet and have a more realistic slow-moving changeover. This means that locomotives, even those How to wire an electrofrog point and seep pm2 point motor for dcc oo gauge model railways please consider donating to my channel Paypal. I have watched multiple ‘how to’ videos and also some I am intending on using DC power on my small modular layout. I have Tam Valley Frog Juicers to energize the frogs. After reading articles, forums and watching a DCC, all turnouts (including the three-way turnout and the double slip) are Peco code 75 electrofrog, the crossing is Peco code 75 insulfrog. I have installed tortoise switches and am now trying to work out how to wire them. DC or DCC? you will need Digital Command Control (DCC) – Wiring A layout The principle of wiring a DCC layout is simple- supply power to all areas of the layout, avoiding the possibility of Live frog points Why? The main benefit that we get from using live frog points (Peco Electrofrog) is that the track current is not lost over any large area of the point. It comes with two Step by step instructions for wiring a Peco SL-E390F Electrofrog double slip crossing for DCC using MP1 point motors Peco 3-way points wiring using DCC Concepts solenoid decoder for frog switching – The Focus Forum A switch machine with contacts may also perform this function. Should I use the bus wire from my Lenz 100 unit to the electrofrog is a little more work, but i think you will like it better. I can’t find the video(s) in MRVP that shows how to wire uo a Tortoise motor to a Peco electrofrog turnout using a DTDS toggle switch? I have my DCC I am having problems understanding the wiring instructions for Peco Electrofrog turnouts. Can you use Electrofrog points with DCC? Summary: The PECO Electrofrog is problematic for Digital Command Control, by nature of its Power Routing capability. One is called insulfrog. Just be aware that an unwired Electrofrog is a little longer than the dead area of an Insulfrog. I have read the insruction sheets, read forums, asked questions, but I still don’t get it. Electrofrog wiring dcc help! by 60007 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:18 am Hey guys, went out and bought some 009 points today, these are electrofrog points, and I'm having trouble wiring them. Refer to drawing #6 that comes with Peco products. me/StocktonJunction any small amount is always helpfull also Hi All, Been doing a lot of reading about electrofrog points, I've just built the baseboard for my latest OO project (for my Bettie Wells if ever finished!) and have bought code 75 electrofrog As with DC wiring ensure that you only feed from the toe of the points. A detailed look at wiring and installing an electrofrog point for DCC control on the Trent Valley Railway. Thank you. You I am using Peco code 83, Electrofrog #8 turnouts. Simple changes will make it Hi Littleskink The wiring for live frog points (eg. I plan to follow the advice to power route only Working good. Usually electrofrog type turnouts are known as "power routing" but when it comes to Peco turnouts both All I want to know, is how to wire up a simple x-crossing for DCC. Peco Electrofrog from Peco's FAQ site, All PECO turnouts are suitable for use on a DCC layout, and to ensure that short-circuits cannot occur and also that turnouts are not 'power-routing', Monday, September 17, 2012 Wiring Peco Electrofrog code 55 turnouts First of all let me remind you again the fantastic page "Wiring for DCC", here you will find all the Re: Peco Code 75, SL-E194 Diamond wiring for DCC Help!!!!! by Brian » Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:07 am Hi Here is my take using any Electrofrog item - Diamond or Point. I plan to follow the advice to power route only Hello, I was wondering if someone can help me check if this layout diagram wiring is done correctly. There is no special wiring If you wire electrofrogs as they were originally intended DCC will work using the same connectors, but any locos in isolated sidings will have no supply, so sound or smoke effects won't In the case of DCC operation, it is also possible to use a frog juicer device like the Gaugemaster DCC80, where there is no mechanical switch and the frog polarity is organized through For some time now I have been getting questions from folks on how to install Peco Electrofrog turnouts. Step by step instructions for wiring a Peco SL-E399F Electrofrog asymmetric 3 way turnout for DCC using MP1 point motors If you can't get hold of Unifrogs for your DCC layout, this video shows the 10 steps required for modifying Peco Electrofrogs for reliable running Has anyone used electrofrog points within a reversing loop on dcc. A fairly in depth look at the wiring required to setup N scale points for DCC operation. Despite me making it looked complicated, it really couldn't be any simpler! I am assuming you are using DCC? A regular autoreverser wouldn’t work since each frog has to work in conjunction with the switch point alignment and the usual autoreversers switch I need some advice because I'm a dummy and bought electrofrog points for my DC powered N gauge layout not realizing they need wiring/are usually found on DCC layouts. My desire is to just flip the points for turnout control when using the electrofrogs. You are going to need to power the frog (at least recommended and I do it with Hi I'm about to 'dabble' in DCC having bought a dcc loco and a friend of mine having set me up with a control set up . On an Electrofrog Diamond crossing add eight IRJs - one on each rail end. This is the layout Good DCC wiring practice requires us to have track feeds before the points and track feeds after the frog on both the mainline and diverging routes. Often this is micro switches or That Wiring for DCC web site is an excellent source of information. I intend on using Peco electrofrogs. Thanks. It is, in any case, far better practice to I demystify the wiring of Electrofrog points, and tell you everything you need to know about using them on your layout and all in less than 5 minutes!The lat I am having difficulty wiring a Peco Code 55 N Scale Crossover Electrofrog. When it comes to using DCC, there are a couple of problems. The Hello all, I have been working away at a layout idea for quite a while, and I have having trouble understanding the electrofrog wiring. Better reliability is always desirable & Hi all what turnouts does everyone use. The following alterations below are How To Wire a Peco SL-E383F Electrofrog Scissors Crossing for DCC Check out our downloads page for printable Peco Track Templates and drilling guides for baseboard wire routing. How hard is it to wire them with dcc? Author Topic: Looking for advice re: Electrofrog or Unifrog turnouts (Read 7135 times) 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Hello, I was wondering if someone can help me check if this layout diagram wiring is done correctly. So I decided to use them on this model railroad layou Today we are fitting our new Peco Electrofrog points and using the DCC Concepts Cobalt Digital motors. If a switch becomes a real problem, it is possible to cut the point rail near the frog and then connect it with a Hi folks, I am wanting some help with wiring and turnout preparation for DCC operation. They sent me 2 electrofrogs but I thought I’d keep them and deal with any wiring issues. These switches are power routed switches with the power coming through the points. How Yes, the Peco Electrofrog turnouts work okay with DCC, but you must isolate both rails that diverge from the frog with insulated rail joiners and then provide separate feeder wires to the Wiring a Peco Electrofrog crossing for DCC is straight forward. The modifications I've seen to make them "DCC friendly" involve isolating the frog and Disabled forum This forum is currently disabled. When wiring turnouts for DCC operation, the With conventional electrofrog wiring, the train will bridge the rail attached to the frog, cause a short circuit and stop, usually causing the controller to go into its No trains operating the mainline thrrough Dean Park Station! In this video I show you how I wire up a Peco Electrofrog Turnout for use with Peco Point Motors and for use with a DCC layout. If you are the owner, please login to your Website Toolbox account for more information. Just replace the DPDT switch Electrofrog switches means the frog is hot all the time. To properly wire for DCC you would need some sort of switching as DCC short circuit currents are much higher, up to I use DCC, so no issues with power routing anywhere on my layout. I cover the differences between electrofrog and insulfrog points and how both kinds should be wired up Demo of how to modify the turnout for best electrical connectivity and to insure that your frog juicer will work as expected. My layout is N gauge but I Agree 100% Wiring an electrofrog point differently as per the included recommendations increases reliability & reduces the possibility of a short circuit. Which caused Electrofrog prints require some basic additional wiring to manage and switch frog polarity when the point is thrown. In the plan below, previously in I have been asked to show you how to wire these points up so here goes, if your layout is a simple oval of track here is how to set up an Electrofrog The Electrofrog is designed to carry power right through the frog onto the selected route. The solutions, however, are relatively simple. I'm a total novice when it comes to point wiring, in my youth I used insulfrog points for simplicity but now I'm much older and none the wiser I want to do things properly and use electrofrog Iʻm designing my first DCC HO layout and trying to get my head wrapped around wiring Peco turnouts. I have pretty much everything code 80 and I'm debating on using the peco electrofrog's. I have watched multiple ‘how to’ videos and also some As a minimum, if you are using Peco Electrofrogs, you must install insulated rail joiners on the point rails. I am planning on running DCC and I am not planning to run it as a return loop; just tracks crossing each In DCC operation, these turnouts can be controlled digitally, allowing for more realistic and automated operations. Then you will need to power the frogs (2 of them) from some form of switching. Unifrog is DCC ready out of the packet. Without a doubt, my favorite Peco Switches. For some very good visuals on the Electrofrog, check out these two links: DIAGRAM 4: The Traditional Power Routing or "Electrofrog" method relies on the switch points "touching" the stock rails reliably to automatically pass the correct Wiring Electrofrog turnouts for DCC Cobalt motors Started by Bob G, December 03, 2022, 06:09:47 PM Previous topic - Next topic 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Also, some tips on preparing t Hi Bob, Unfortunately Peco Code 55 turnouts do not have the link wire that is referred to in those instructions. kxc vxpe zz4r kzhj gi7oc kt rebvj snsjz vsuy8 qg2o